How to Add PAYE Income from an Employer into FreeAgent
I have my freelance business which i use FreeAgent to generate invoices from. However I also have annother company that I take a PAYE sallary from (as I cant invoice due to tax legalities). I want to use FreeAgent to manage all my personal income and do my tax returns however I am not sure where and how i would correctly enter my monthly salary from the other company that allready has PAYE/NI taken into account? Please can you suggest an option.
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Inappropriate?Hello David.
There are two places you may need to record this income.
The first only applies if you're receiving the salary from the company into your freelance business's bank account. If you're doing this, explain each receipt as Money Received from User > Capital Introduced, so that you don't pay tax on it twice.
The second applies for your tax returns. To make sure your salary and tax appear correctly in the tax area of FreeAgent, go to Taxes > Self Assessment.
Click on the tax year in question.
You'll find two Edit buttons that let you put in additional information for that tax year. Click either of these.
You'll see there some boxes that let you put in salary and tax deducted.
Does that help, please?
Kind regards,
Emily -
Hi Emily,
So to confirm if i pay the money into my business account then I have to make a note of it twice in both places. However if i setup my payments to my personal account then i only need to worry about the taxes section?
Many thanks
David -
Inappropriate?Hello David,
That's right.
If your second company pays your salary into your freelance business's bank account, then you'd need to explain it as above, and record it for tax in Self Assessment.
But if your salary is paid into a bank account that you're not monitoring as a business account in FreeAgent, then you don't have to explain it in the bank, just record it under Self Assessment.
Kind regards,
Emily -
Inappropriate?Hi Emily,
Ok and in the tax area i go into other employment during the year (from P60 or P45) and add the details of the employment and income received and tax paid.
I also receive property income into a 3rd account, i setup the account but cant seem to find the correct type of income when i create a manual bank entry for the property income. Have you any suggestions?
David -
Inappropriate?HI Emily,
Sorry two more question can i add the PAYE and Income on a monthly basis or do I add it in one go at the end of the tax year?
If I have made payments on account due to my last years taxes (that i did offline from FreeAgent) how should i record these best?
Many Thanks
David -
Inappropriate?Hello David.
FreeAgent's tax computation unfortunately isn't that clever! It won't account for property income nor for payments on account.
If you've received those figures into your business's bank account, you'd need to explain them as Money Received from User > Capital Introduced so that FreeAgent doesn't work out income tax on them.
And for the PAYE and income from your second company, you do need to put that in all in one go at the end of the tax year.
Apologies for these limitations!
Kind regards,
Emily -
Inappropriate?Hi Emily,
I am still a little un-clear on the first part here. The property income has not been taxed. I need to pay tax on it so would i not need to list it as taxable income? Or are you saying i should not pay income tax and so at the end of the year in my other employment income i add up everything i listed as capital introduced (both from other job and from the property) and then list the tax i paid via PAYE and the system will work the rest out?
In terms of my payment on account to the tax office, is this not what most people have to deal with who are self employed? I see this as a payment of tax out of the account so i am not sure why we would set it as capital introduced.
Warm Regards
David -
Inappropriate?Hi David,
Re the property income, yes, that is taxable.
But it doesn't get added to your self-employed figures in your tax return, which is why you can't add it all up together in FreeAgent.
When you do your tax return, you'd have to put your property income (and expenses) all on a separate page. So yes, you'd need to explain that as capital introduced and tally it up separately when you come to do your tax return.
There is, unfortunately, no way to record property accounts in FreeAgent's Self Assessment area, so you would need to use alternative tax software such as HM Revenue's online filing system, and the tax figure in FreeAgent will be short of what you'll pay.
As for the payments on account - my apologies, I didn't explain that clearly. The figures you explain as capital introduced would be the property income, the payments on account would need to be explained as Money Paid to User > Drawings.
You're right that a lot of self-employed people do have to make payments on account and we do hope to be able to add these to the Self Assessment computation.
But in the meantime, I would suggest that you use another application to work out your full tax bill, as your tax affairs - with the inclusion of property income - are slightly more complicated than average.
Kind regards,
Emily -
Inappropriate?Hi Emily,
Thank you that is helpful. I am starting to understand this a little more! :)
One thing in the early days i got one consultancy invoice paid into my personal account. I setup a personal account on the system as a non reconciled account and listed this transaction. However it doesn't seem to let me show that i have taken this money out as i cant pay it to owner like i can on the business account.
Please can you advise what I should do?
many thanks
David -
Inappropriate?Hello David,
Because you've got that account set as a personal account, you can't use the Money Paid to User option on it.
I presume you've explained the entry in your personal account as Invoice Receipt for that invoice, is that right?
What happened to the money after it was paid into your personal account, please? Did you transfer it to your business account?
Kind regards,
Emily -
Inappropriate?Hello Emily,
Thanks for all your help by the way. I am used to Sage and its taking time to understand the new system!
That is correct the entry is Invoice receipt but to my personal account. The money got spent on great things like food shopping and did not get returned into the business account.
I have also just noticed that i entered a number of out of pocket expenses (which i paid from my personal accounts) and the system shows that i am owed that money. However they are simply expenses that i want to offset against tax but which i paid from my personal account or credit card. Should i have entered them somewhere else as I dont have the money in the business account to pay me back for the expenses.
Warm Regards
David -
Inappropriate?Hello David,
No problem at all, it does take time to get used to a new system.
It sounds to me like you've done everything right.
Re the invoice, if you've marked it as an Invoice Receipt into your personal account and you didn't then transfer the money into the business, then that's all you need to do (as you're a sole trader rather than the director of a limited company, there are no tax issues there).
Re the expenses, the business doesn't have to pay them back to you in order for it to claim tax relief on them. Tax relief kicks in as soon as you enter them in the Expenses area. They can just sit there happily until (if) the business has enough money to pay you back. You're entitled for the business to pay you back so you entered those correctly.
Does that put your mind at rest, please?
If you're still not sure, or if you have any other queries, please don't hesitate to ask.
Kind regards,
Emily -
Inappropriate?Hi Emily,
Re Invoice - the thing is that my personal account shows a balance of £1000 even though i spent it. Is that how it will be always and i just am aware of that?
Re expenses - i paid the expenses from money i received as drawings or just other money i had in my personal account. Would it be best for me that next time i transfer money as drawings, i do so to pay off the expenses and then clear them down.
I like having the systems cleared down as much as possible to keep it as simple as possible!
I'm also not fully sure about why i am getting certain numbers for my Operating Profit and Carried Forward but will do some playing and might come back to you on those ones.
Thank you
David -
Inappropriate?Hi David,
OK, not to worry. If you want to clear it all down, here's how:
1) Mark your personal account as a business account (assuming you haven't uploaded any unexplained transactions into that account).
To do this, click on the personal account on the list under Banking, click the Edit Details button and untick the little box at the top that says "This is a personal account". Save the changes.
2) Check to see how much you have outstanding as expenses, which you want to clear down.
3) Record a payment from what was your personal account, for the total of the expenses to be cleared. Use type Money Paid to User and reason Expense Payment. That will clear off the expenses.
4) Then for the remaining balance outstanding on your personal account, clear that off with, from that account, either a payment of Money Paid to User > Drawings (if the amount of the expense payment was less than £1,000), or a receipt of Money Received from User > Capital Introduced (if the expense payment exceeded £1,000).
The balance in your personal account will then be £nil.
If you do get stuck with your profit numbers then do let me know - if you'd prefer to keep that off the public forum, please send your query to support[at]freeagentcentral[dot]com
Kind regards,
Emily -
Inappropriate?Hi Emily,
Since my email i think i found out what the problem was with it not balancing. However as i am going to need to work with excel sheets and input the information into other accounts packages to do tax please can you let me know how i can print a PDF or export to excel the data in the accounts section?
The reports look great but as i need to do things with them or print a copy for my records i am having problems locating the button or function to do this?
David -
Inappropriate?Hi David,
There are two places in FreeAgent from which you can export your data:
1) Go to Accounting > Trial Balance for the year in question and click on either "Summary CSV" (for totals) or "Transaction CSV" (for a breakdown of your accounts);
2) Go to Home and on the left-hand menu choose "Export Data".
One or other of these might help?
Kind regards,
Emily -
Inappropriate?Hi Emily,
That makes sense i was wanting to print off the P&L or balance sheet but dont seem to see the print button. However i am sure the TB is really what i need!
best
David -
Inappropriate?Hello David,
You can't at the moment print the P&L or the Balance Sheet out as a .pdf, though we are looking to introduce this.
If you do get stuck with anything else please don't hesitate to ask.
Kind regards,
Emily
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