Incorporation fee - VAT problem
When we were incorporated, our account did the paperwork and invoiced us with VAT included. It is now end of year time and they have now told us 12 months later that HMRC do not allow us to claim back the VAT on that - which we did do 9 months ago.
Our accountant has said it can be cleared up with a credit note. This is fine in theory, but I can't figure out how to do in in FA. I can create a credit note to cancel out the original invoice fine, but how do reinput it as gross with no VAT as a bill - there will be no actual payment therefore adding a manual bank account entry will not tally with our actual bank statement????
Confused.....
How should I have added the invoice in the first place to FA?
Our accountant has said it can be cleared up with a credit note. This is fine in theory, but I can't figure out how to do in in FA. I can create a credit note to cancel out the original invoice fine, but how do reinput it as gross with no VAT as a bill - there will be no actual payment therefore adding a manual bank account entry will not tally with our actual bank statement????
Confused.....
How should I have added the invoice in the first place to FA?
1
person has this question
I have this question, too!
Tell me when someone answers.
The more people who ask this question, the more it gets noticed.
The more people who ask this question, the more it gets noticed.
-
Inappropriate?I think some of the confusion is caused because your accountant owes you the VAT which was paid on the original invoice.
Original invoice £100 + VAT £15 Total £115
New invoice £100
You are owed £15
The original invoice is cancelled by the credit note but it will look as if the new invoice has been overpaid by £15. The refund will cancel the overpayment.
I’m not certain this is as simple as it should be!
-
Inappropriate?Thanks Styart for getting back to me. I think what they are suggesting is:
Original invoice £100 + £15 VAT = Total £115
Entered into FA as just that
Credit note of the above
New invoice £115 + £0 VAT = Total £115
Therefore the VAT element wouldn't go into FA
"We have to charge VAT on the incorporation fee - but as a business you can't reclaim it. The HMRC view is that the expense is not necessary for you to run your business - as it's not an allowable expense therefore, you also can not claim the VAT." said our accountant.
This is fine in theory, but I can't figure out how to do in in FA. I can create a credit note to cancel out the original invoice fine, but how do reinput it all so everything tallys?
I’m still a little confused
-
Inappropriate?1. Leave it with me till this evening and I'll have a look at it.
2. This is me being pedantic - why has the invoice increased from £100 to £115?
I’m puzzled
-
Inappropriate?The gross was always £115 - made up of £100 + £15VAT. They say they have to include the VAT on the invoice but we can't claim the VAT back.
"We have to charge VAT on the incorporation fee - but as a business you can't reclaim it. The HMRC view is that the expense is not necessary for you to run your business - as it's not an allowable expense therefore, you also can not claim the VAT." said our accountant.
What I need to know is how to add it to FA without it taking notice of the VAT? -
Inappropriate?I would just add it using 0% VAT from the drop down menu.
-
Inappropriate?Okay so I've created a credit note for the original invoice and reissued the invoice with 0% VAT. How do I mark it as paid with the credit note so that our bank balance is unaffected?
-
Inappropriate?Hi Tony and Stuart,
At the moment there isn't a way to mark an invoice as paid by means of a credit note in FAC.
Tony, could I ask, is your bank balance now correct and is the balance for that contact now correct?
If so then you've done all you need to do. If not, please let us know which one is wrong and by how much?
Kind regards,
Emily
P.S. Thanks Stuart for your help with this! -
No, thank you Stuart for your help, and I may need to pick your brain sometime :-) -
Inappropriate?@Stuart, thanks for your help.
@Emily. I can't figure out to pay off both the reissued invoice and credit note and get the bank balance to show the correct figure? -
Inappropriate?@ Emily
or if I do get the bank balance to show the correct figure then credit note has not been cleared but shows the amount due has doubled???
1 person says
this answers the question
-
Inappropriate?Hi Tony,
Would you let me look at your account so I can see what's happened, please?
If you'd be happy to do that (and please rest assured I will treat your figures as strictly confidential) then please could you add emily[at]freeagentcentral[dot]com as an accountant user, and e-mail me details of your URL and my password.
And if you could also let me know which contact the issue is with and what your bank balance should be?
Kind regards,
Emily -
Inappropriate?Hi Tony,
As discussed on e-mail I have now sorted this out for you.
Please don't hesitate to ask if you get stuck again.
Kind regards,
Emily
I’m happy
-
Inappropriate?thanks for the help.
-
Inappropriate?I needed a five minute break from the tax problem I' was working on and thought I would check if the VAT was deductible or not as I've always thought it was. HMRC have confirmed it is. I'm not certain if the £100 was a notional amount or the actual amount.
If you do want the VAT back need a document to prove it is reclaimable let me know and I'll send you a copy -
Inappropriate?@stuart
Now I've got two accountants telling me that HMRC as saying too different things. Confused?
Can I just check that they said that the fee for incorporating a ltd company is deductable? -
Inappropriate?Tony / Stuart,
Rather than adding a third accountant's opinion to the mix at this point, I'll keep quiet until you've decided on a course of action, then will happily make any changes in FreeAgent :-)
(My suggestion would be, Tony, that you invite Clare to join this discussion so that she can explain her research too?)
Kind regards,
Emily -
Inappropriate?@Emily
I was going to talk to Clare after I confirmed what HMRC said to Stuart. -
Inappropriate?Hi Tony,
Just wondered what the situation was with this at the moment?
Kind regards,
Emily
Loading Profile...





EMPLOYEE